<div><img src="/EditBackyard/EditorData/Photo/2019/Nov/11820198-4.jpg" width="650" height="365" alt="" /></div><div><span style="color: #768492; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 14px; background-color: #ffffff;">中国律师陈秋实</span></div><div> </div><div><span style="box-sizing: inherit; text-transform: uppercase; float: left; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">华盛顿 — </span><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">2015年1月，北京电视台《我是演说家》节目半决赛现场， 璀璨的舞台上，一位清瘦的，书卷气十足的男子口若悬河，语惊四座：</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">“中国今天是世界第二大经济体。我们富不富？富。但是作为中国的国民，你们觉得自己强吗？国富但民不强，这不配称之为一个大国；炫耀历史功绩而没有创新能力，这不配称之为一个大国；固步自封心胸狭隘，这不配称之为一个大国。”</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">那一年，他赢得比赛亚军。全中国有上亿人听过他的演讲。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">2017年5月，夜晚街头，这名男子一边踱步，一边对着手机滔滔不绝。昏黄的路灯照得他的脸忽明忽暗。他的话语依旧犀利，矛头直指中国共产党领导的青年组织：</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">“咱今天就把话挑明白了说 ，共青团，我讨厌你们……你们挑选出来的是这个时代最不关心（政治）的一群年轻人……唱歌跳舞了，歌舞升平了，这盛世如我所愿了…… 他们有多么可悲；我们有多么可悲！ ”</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; 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padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">VOA</strong>：<strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">很多人关心你从香港回去以后经历了什么，当局是不是找了麻烦？你在社交媒体上还能发声吗？</strong></p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">陈秋实：</strong>我只能说人身安全是没有受到威胁的，也没有失去人身自由。 有一些组织谈话啊、问询啊，我就不方便说得特别多了。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">从香港回来大概一个星期左右的时间吧，我的微博、微信公众号全都不见了。我以前曾经在微博两次被禁言半年，不许说话，最多只能发私信，但是这次微博也是彻底地不见了。我也不想去开新的，因为知道开新的也会被删掉。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">VOA</strong>：​<strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">你的律师资格证有没有被吊销？</strong></p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">陈秋实：</strong>律师资格证还在，因为从法律上讲我没有违反中国的法律，也没有违反中国的律师管理相关条例。我本身也是一个比较自由的职业状态。我在一个律师事务所，接下来可能要调转到另外一个律师事务所去。现在在想办法办理这些手续，因为我对我原来的律师事务所确实带来了很不好的影响，至少是遭受了批评。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">我在律师行业还能干多久，未来会有什么样的问题，这些我都不知道，就该怎么工作怎么工作，该怎么过日子怎么过日子吧。日子还要继续过嘛。有困难就面对困难，有挫折就战胜挫折，我还是一个比较乐观的人。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">VOA：现在你的人身安全有保障吗？</strong></p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">陈秋实：</strong>在北京是人身安全的。我前一段时间被警察带走也不是因为香港的事，而是因为9月30号我发了一个照片，所以被警察盘问了一天，然后也就放回来了，这就是大陆经常所说的被请去喝茶。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">我知道我会被带走，但是我当时只是想着不要当着我父母的面被警察抓走。只是那天抓走我的时候刚好就是当着我父母的面。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">10月1号，我正好在青岛的家里跟父母一起看国庆阅兵。刚刚开始，习总书记刚在那讲话，警察就敲门进来了，说：“你是陈秋实吗？”那时候我爸开的门。我说：“我是”。“你涉嫌寻衅滋事，跟我们走一趟。”我说：“稍等稍等，我把鞋穿上，把身份证拿上”。然后安抚了父母，因为父母会很紧张，很害怕，我就很配合地跟他们走了。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">一天的时间不停地被盘问，10个小时在派出所跟警察聊了很多东西。刚开始他们会对你很凶，很严厉，要求我打开手机， 说你把密码告诉我们。我说我没有义务打开手机。他们说你必须配合，我说我一定配合，你问什么我们就聊什么，我也不对你撒谎。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">其实我也经常跟警察打交道。我是个很瘦弱的人，也不是一个多粗鲁的人， 一点一点跟他们聊，慢慢气氛就缓和下来了。隔壁就有小年轻的警察过来聊天了，说：“陈律师，我以前就是您的粉丝，看您的视频，我上大学的时候老师还在教室里给我们放呢。”我说：“客气了，客气了。”然后别的老警察说：“哎呀，陈秋实这个名字我怎么听着那么耳熟，刚才去网上搜了一下，你就是那个演讲家是吧。我当年还给我的朋友们转发过这个视频呢，你讲得多好啊。”他们只是地方公安局派出所的警官，接到上级命令，传下来要他们去抓人，他们就去抓人了。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">白天我妈去派出所门口转。我妈是信佛的，回去又拜佛，在佛像面前跪了一个多小时，保佑我平安。早上10点钟把我带走，到晚上8点钟送我回来。回来的时候我妈就一直在哭，我爸就很气愤，也很紧张，训斥我。他觉得我做错了，很严重的事情，都被警察带走了，觉得很丢人。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">我最大的烦恼就是让我的父母很担心，很牵挂， 很害怕。至于别的，我自己遭受什么，我觉得自己既然想出来说话，这些就是必然承受的代价。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">VOA：你觉得你是被监控的吗？</strong></p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">陈秋实：</strong>有一些事情我没有证据，比如说咱们现在的通话啊，我的微信啊，是否被监控了，有这种揣度，或者有朋友告诉我，说你有可能或肯定被监控了。但是我没有证据证明确实被监控，所以我不能乱说。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">我相信我的事情被中国的有关部门认认真真地、反反复复地看过、检查过、我的身份背景、我的资金来源、我的社交圈子肯定也被反反复复地调查过。 你要相信中国国家安全机构办事的能力。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">事实上我也不太在意这些东西。我有时候跟朋友开玩笑，我说这个国家安全机关的人如果真的认认真真地看我的视频，认认真真地看我微信的通话记录，就会了解我真正是个什么样的人。我也许比这些国家安全机关的人还要热爱这个国家。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">VOA：你“翻墙”吗？</strong></p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">陈秋实：</strong>我现在也买了一个翻墙软件，从香港回来以后，也加上这段时间手术以后比较清闲，不方便出门，每天在家看看书，看看视频。但是我英语不好，看不了英语资料，看一看港澳台的，还有海外华人的，包括你们美国之音的视频节目，在YouTube上也会经常看到。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">从香港回来之后，我会“翻墙”看一看香港的，包括你们境外的媒体怎么报香港，我也会点开微博看微博热搜，微博上面这些大号，《人民日报》、新华社是怎么报道香港的事件。同一个香港议员被打了，被砍伤了，《人民日报》的报道方式和你们美国之音的报道方式肯定是有着巨大的差别的。 这些信息我都想去获取。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">VOA：“墙外”最近出现了不少陈秋实的社交媒体账号，都是真的吗？</strong></p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">陈秋实：</strong>不可能都是真的，有一些是我的朋友在管理，有一些我都不认识他是谁，经常把我在“墙内”的视频搬运到墙外，应该是我的微信好友。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">我自己的微信群里会进来一些大家通常会叫作“五毛”、“小粉红”的人。他们在群里吵架，说要把哪个“小粉红”踢出去，我都不介意的。我的社交圈子里，其实这种左翼，极左翼，“五毛”、“粉红”，这种词有点贬义啊，我都愿意听听他们的想法。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">我在微博上也会关注《环球时报》，关注胡锡进。现在听说“学习强国”有监控功能，不然以前我也会看看“学习强国”，会想知道非常官方的中国主流价值观在说什么。我不想只听哪一方，有句中国话叫“兼听则明，偏听则暗”。我对这个世界很有好奇心。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">VOA：中国大陆也有相当一部分人对政治看得很通透，但他们选择不说话，选择把自己的日子过好，你为什么要站出来？</strong></p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">陈秋实：</strong>我觉得这个和性格还是有很大关系的，再有就是家庭环境。我没有妻子，没有结婚，没有孩子，也没有固定资产，没有房子，等于说没房没车无儿无女，所以可能没有太多的牵挂。我是个独身主义者，也不打算结婚，也不打算买房子。很多人都有太多的牵挂了，这我都能理解。有些人需要躲在后面照顾好自己的妻儿，需要有人冲在前面。我的顾虑比大多数的成年人，中国大陆的同胞们少一些。我也没觉得我做了什么了不起的事情，或者我做了多反动的事情。如果我做了多反动的事情，你现在也联系不上我了，对吧。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">VOA：你不断地出来说话，是想达到什么目的吗？还是出于一种使命感？</strong></p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">陈秋实：</strong> 很多人也问过我这个问题，我的目的，我的企图，包括我回来以后很多领导也在问。其实很多人都把我做的这件事当作手段，认为我是想通过说话、视频达到某种目的。对于我来说，不管是写文章、做视频还是说话，其实本身就是我的目的。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">我不是想通过说话达到某种目的，让我说话，让我行使公民的言论自由的权利，这就是我的目的。言论自由其实也是写进《中华人民共和国宪法》的，只是在具体执行层面上，中国的言论自由环境和西方国家是有着重大差别的。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">我呢，也有我的目的，我要认真地学习。我的基础教育并不好，我只有一个黑龙江大学的法学本科学历，一个地方学校，不算好。我其实也是在进行自我的教育。我发现给别人讲解一个知识点，如果你讲得通俗易懂，深入浅出，甚至还能幽默有趣，别人能听懂，你自己的知识也变得更加扎实了。这个过程中，教学相长。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">我今年34岁，希望我到了45岁的时候，可以被这个世界当作是一个学者， 人家会觉得这是一个有学问的人，年轻的后生们会心安理得地，很服气地说一句：“陈老师”。我觉得就挺好。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">至于说我一个人说说话，录录视频，能对中国产生多大的影响，能改变什么，其实我不敢奢望。浑身是铁打几颗钉子啊，就一条人命而已，100多斤嘛。我只是一个是喜欢思考，喜欢说话的人，至于说在说话的路途当中，能帮助多少人，能改变多少人，能为这个国家做出多大的贡献，这些东西都不敢奢望。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong style="box-sizing: inherit;">VOA：因为说话惹上麻烦，会让你困扰和恐惧吗？</strong></p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">陈秋实：困扰肯定是有的。但其实我骨子里是那种很传统的中国教育。我爷爷当过兵，参加过抗美援朝。我父亲当过兵，曾经差一点去参加越南战争。当时他们每个连队都要写请战书。他们那个连队没有被选中。我爷爷如果死在朝鲜战场上就没有我爸，我爸如果死在越南战场上就没有我。我们从小受的教育都是为这个国家能够做一些什么。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">我记得前一段时间北京电视台《我是演说家》这个节目有一个辽宁舰的女兵去演讲，很热血沸腾。她说作为一个军人，我最大的遗憾就是只能为祖国牺牲一次。 有的自由国家、民主国家的人听着可能会觉得毛骨悚然，觉得这不是法西斯吗，怎么要为祖国牺牲生命呢？但其实今天中国的改革、发展、进步有着漫长而艰难的路要走，需要很多人付出艰苦的努力，甚至要准备做出牺牲。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">我在香港的时候就有人问我：秋实，你觉得你能为祖国牺牲多少？ 我的回答就是：我能够牺牲的就是这条命了。我只有一条命，如果说未来我成为中国第一个因为说话和录视频被枪毙的人，我也无怨无悔。在中国历史上，因为说话、写文章被杀掉的人其实很多，凭什么在今天就不可以有人因为说话、写文章、拍视频被杀掉呢？</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin-bottom: 24px; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;">目的不一定能达到，但是你一辈子在努力地行走，努力地向前，至于你在路上的哪一处，是死在10公里处，是死在80公里处，那不是我们所能控制的。</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; padding: 0px; color: #222f3a; font-family: NSimSun, SimSun, PMingLiU, Arial, Helvetica, "Arial Unicode MS", sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: #ffffff;"><em style="box-sizing: inherit;">以上采访内容经过删节和编辑。</em></p> </div>